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my guess is (8+5 = ) total 11 strokes.  (in chinese!)
this is what i think:tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb! n5 N' A+ }( F  V, s* x3 ?; J7 g
8 write in chinese ---> 2 strokestvb now,tvbnow,bttvb" ]' l( N. G+ e
5  ''      ''      ''     ---> 5 strokes公仔箱論壇; G' _" l4 V1 f; y: A' h. q
+  "      "       "     ---> 2 strokes
( f# G! _& |: F) i( r1 Z4 Ntvb now,tvbnow,bttvb=   also                ----> 2 strokes  , so total  11.2 u$ V0 g- b/ z' ^
let me know if i am wrong....
do you know 8 in traditional chinese, 5 in traditional chinese?
yes
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