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作者: norman.ho 時間: 2010-4-6 04:45 AM 標題: Turtle Eggs - stolen!

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I got these pictures emailed from a friend. This is what is happening in Costa Rica, it got to stop, or there will be no more turtles left over there in a few years time, not to mention for the next generation.

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作者: kimmi8k 時間: 2010-4-6 05:40 AM

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Why is this ugly sight, truth being so very ugly n without compassion n respect 4 life ? Look as this vulnerable turtles, using every effort n might, releasing every energy cells laying all the eggs, hoping 2 see their off springs running, playing n swimming in health. Why all these stealing n robbing of lives unborn yet ? 4 me I do not eat shark fins at all, even if it is considered very good n expensive. Cos' I can't imagined myself wanting 2 eat shark fin, n a healthy big shark has to sacrifice its life 4 me. Ever since I found out tt after searing off / fins of / shark, they throw / shark back into / ocean n r left 2 died w time, I stopped eating.

But, / government n country has 2 educate its nation n country on / importance of protecting endangered species, n how to prevent extinction of / wild survivors with wild life campaigns.Talking is cheap, helping more worthwhile. Norman my heart just dropped rock bottom looking at these helpless beings laying there not being able 2 do anything looking on at thieves stealing n robbing at bright daylight. I'll definitely say a prayer even though I ain't a religious soul. Promise!

作者: chowold2 時間: 2010-4-6 10:15 AM

This is the most Ugly thing I ever see in the earth planet. I thought Costa Rica is one of the "greenest" country in the world. Are you sure they are trying to steal the eggs for profit? Are they trying to save and protect the eggs? Shame on them to steal the eggs.

作者: kimmi8k 時間: 2010-4-6 02:16 PM

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My heart just won't rest tonite, after looking at this pics tt Norman posted. Wished all our nature mapping friends, would spend just one second in quietude n say a prayer for this poor helpless turtle. My heart ...like just fallen into abyss, in / valley of fear n death, perhaps tt's what's in / back of / mind of mother turtle too ay!

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Many of / eggs wld fall prey as fd 2 birds n other wild life, n even if they r hatched, many wld be victims 2 'hunters' preying in / wild life kingdom. Perhaps many wld not even live 4 many days or weeks. N / stealin' at bright day light, is such a nauseating sight, totally disgusting, wld not even spare a life W perhaps stand only a 50/50% chance 4 one first breath on planet earth. If only / society n this world has a little compassion our environment wld have greener pastures, life more in agreement w nature, n we wld enjoy a more healthy, happy life in tranquility.TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。, Z9 f8 @# B/ v. N% l5 A: P# C
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Green pastures r not only found in concrete jungles of skyscrapers n neon lights, as believed, preached by man made prophets. It's in our ability 2 live n let live. (strictly personal views only)

作者: norman.ho 時間: 2010-4-6 02:30 PM

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I hope its true that they are just collecting the eggs for incubation. But that doesn't make sense to me. Over here, on one of the island near the Great Barrier Reef, where sea turtles lay their eggs, no one would disturbe them. And when the little turtlies are hatched, the resort would make sure all the artificial lighting facing the beach are off, so the turtlies wouldn't get lost following the artificial lights.

作者: SweetLemon 時間: 2010-4-6 09:26 PM

I thought turtle lay eggs at night? In Malaysia its a tourists attration to watch them lay eggs in the dark, silently, not disturbing them. Malaysia they also saved the hatched turtle but not the egg I think.
Thank goodness I dont eat sharkfin either.

作者: norman.ho 時間: 2010-4-7 06:44 PM

Here, the sea turtles come onto the beach during both the day and night, they dig holes in the sand, lay a dozen eggs, cover the holes back by flipping sand back to cover the hole with their hind legs. Then they swim back to sea. The eggs hatch naturally with the sun warming up the sand, and the little turtles usually start crawling toward the sea at night to avoid predators.

作者: playlord 時間: 2010-4-7 07:35 PM

在下對當地的經濟並不熟悉;但是用簡單的推斷;若果經濟富裕;自然會保障它們;公仔箱論壇8 \7 [& C5 j) D3 {& S1 U8 B# m
但是若果當地人經濟差;生活都成問題;那是無可奈何了.........

作者: norman.ho 時間: 2010-4-7 08:34 PM

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I can understand your sentiment. But looking at the huge quantity of eggs that were being taken, there must be a market for it. And the local are too ignorant about the serious consequence. By the way, Costa Rica is not a poor country at all. Its a really beautiful place, many upmarket resorts, full of American tourist. So, I think there must be plenty other alternative for the locals to make a reasonable living. Stealing turtle eggs is just being opportunistic to make some quick spare money.

作者: playlord 時間: 2010-4-7 10:22 PM

9# norman.ho
貪婪是人類對地球最大的罪惡

作者: chowold2 時間: 2010-4-7 10:58 PM

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我同意“貪婪是人類對地球最大的罪惡”很多有錢人都會逃稅,只希望不論偷錢或偷旦都得到應得的刑罰.

作者: bchew 時間: 2010-4-8 11:51 AM

this is what i found somewhere...
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Every picture tells a story, they say. However, just how accurate and relevant that story may be is dependant on the context in which the picture appears and the preconceptions and expectations of the viewer. Things are not always what they seem." b1 j7 r% a. b9 M$ O2 A

This widely circulated series of images depicting the collection of turtle eggs from a beach in Costa Rica is a case in point. The photographs themselves are perfectly genuine and they certainly do show the harvesting of turtle eggs. However, this egg harvest is not an illegal poaching operation nor is it an environmentally destructive "attack against nature" as suggested in the text that accompanies these photographs.
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Instead, the turtle egg harvest is an important part of a long-term environmental project developed and managed by the Costa Rican government. The photographs show an egg harvest by villagers at Ostional beach, a remote community near Punta Gurones on Costa Rica's Pacific coast. In 1983, the Costa Rican government created the Ostional Wildlife Refuge in the area and later initiated the Egg Harvest Project (EHP). The EHP allowed villagers to continue their traditional practice of harvesting eggs while furthering the long term goal of assisting in the conservation and recovery of the Olive Ridley turtle species. The harvests are strictly controlled, with villagers only allowed to take eggs within the first day and a half of each egg laying event, known as an "arribada". An article about the Olive Ridley turtle published on the Ocean Actions website notes:TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。& G6 k& G7 q2 J0 l0 O: b# b

The capacity of the half mile Ostional beach is insufficient for the large number of nesting turtles and as a result many clutches are destroyed in the nesting process. As thousands upon thousands of Olive Ridley turtles climb on to a stretch of Playa Ostional, 70-80% of previously laid nests are crushed or dug up during the subsequent nesting. It is for this reason that the Egg Harvest Project is justified. Villagers wait and watch, harvesting the eggs laid in the first day and half of the arribada.
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Over the years this practice has proven to increase the percentage of successful hatching by as much as 20%. Assessing a sea turtle population is a challenge, but nesting data in Ostional indicate a stable population. A major contribution to the success of the Egg Harvest Project is the lack of decomposing eggs. If the (sic) left unharvested, the early nests that are destroyed by later nesting females act as a source of bacteria that can contaminate the later nests.

作者: norman.ho 時間: 2010-4-8 12:07 PM

Good to hear of your clarification. We have a similar practice here. Only the indigenous people are allow to hunt the see turtle for food. And they only use spears and nets. There is no fishing trawlers. Any sea turtle caught by other fisherman must be released immediately. They have no commercial value here, as it is illegal to sell them.

作者: chowold2 時間: 2010-4-8 12:09 PM

Yes, I am right. Thank you bechew

作者: norman.ho 時間: 2010-4-8 12:21 PM

Chowold2, you meant "you are right again"?

作者: kimmi8k 時間: 2010-4-8 01:25 PM

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Chowold2, you meant "you are right again"?
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作者: kimmi8k 時間: 2010-4-8 01:29 PM

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this is what i found somewhere...5.39.217.77:8898: S# }# x9 L/ g# ~& a% L5 }

Every picture tells a story, they say. However, just how accurate and relevant that story may be is dependant on the context in which the picture appears and the pre ...tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb7 v2 h) P0 d/ t! e9 R- G s- u
bchew 發表於 2010-4-8 11:51 AM

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THK U MY DEAR, SO SWEET OF U 4 / CLARIFICATn, TONITE NORMAN N ME SLEEP TIGHT, N NO BED BUGS BUGGING OUR CONSCIENCE. VERY KIND OF U.
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作者: kimmi8k 時間: 2010-4-8 01:47 PM

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在下對當地的經濟並不熟悉;但是用簡單的推斷;若果經濟富裕;自然會保障它們;tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb3 r+ {9 T7 [ P( R: x/ A- M4 G! [( q4 ^
但是若果當地人經濟差;生活都成問題;那是無可奈何了.........3 C6 e9 K, ~0 q6 X
playlord 發表於 2010-4-7 07:35 PM

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u r very logical n wise n kind. how have u been cutie kitty sunshine, where were u during / easter holidays? Havin' some great time, n lots of fun eh haha!
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作者: kimmi8k 時間: 2010-4-8 01:51 PM

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I thought turtle lay eggs at night? In Malaysia its a tourists attration to watch them lay eggs in the dark, silently, not disturbing them. Malaysia they also saved the hatched turtle but not the eg ...公仔箱論壇% s9 P2 a z* S) E+ T3 M) ~
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so very kind n sweet of u ...heart of angel 公仔箱論壇( g+ q9 A2 m: g+ M4 ~

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作者: norman.ho 時間: 2010-4-8 06:59 PM

bchew, I have copied your clarification and emailed it out to debunk this smearing propaganda. Hope you don't mind that I didn't quote your name or this forum.5.39.217.77:88981 {$ T2 ?5 K8 i) d, j: k6 d z
This is serious stuff.

作者: SweetLemon 時間: 2010-4-8 07:44 PM

Chow Old getting wiser everyday....the gigglish post by Kimmi and Norman. And other serious posters like Ammannn and BC, wow there is never a dull moment here.

作者: playlord 時間: 2010-4-8 11:13 PM

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作者: TAIPOXP 時間: 2010-4-9 01:41 PM

I have a different view on this.TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。& \. R9 ?6 ^$ D) y' C% a" d
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It appears that the human is not correct to take the eggs. But if we think from the view point of those people, they may need the eggs to earn their livings or to feed their child. Without these eggs, they may not be able to have their bread.

I cannot say that they are right or wrong. So far if they can maintain the balance of the nature, then i think it is ok.tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb4 s' i$ o+ }* ?/ v x) W% J" P

Think for the case, if you see a tiger eating a ribbit. Will you say the tiger is right or wrong?5.39.217.77:8898" W* N% v5 P1 u2 A+ x
The tiger just kill to keep itself alive. This is nature. Sometime it is cruel. But the living things on earth have been following this rule of games for a very very long time even when there was no human being.

作者: norman.ho 時間: 2010-4-9 02:44 PM

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I did a bit of investigation myself, here is a more balanced approach to the discussion, and I highly recommend all viewer to have a read. Here is the link:公仔箱論壇% D% x: v8 b% B( K4 H- E, D

http://lanic.utexas.edu/project/sdrp/tortugas.html

作者: norman.ho 時間: 2010-4-9 03:03 PM 標題: Turtle Eggs Stolen - sensational propaganda.

Recently I regretfully posted some photos about Turtle eggs poaching without clearly checking out the facts. These photos though genuine, the context was quite misleading and biased. Here is a more balanced approached to the discussion. I would recommend all viewer who read the previous post to check out this link: http://lanic.utexas.edu/project/sdrp/tortugas.html .
As a hard lesson learned, always check the all the facts before posting others images.

作者: playlord 時間: 2010-4-9 06:44 PM

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-------其實,在下覺得討論區的設立就是要這些君子之間的理性討論而已

(另外;有時在下的回覆有點離題;反而要版主見諒)

作者: SweetLemon 時間: 2010-4-9 07:09 PM

We are doing good...

作者: chowold2 時間: 2010-4-9 10:04 PM

We all learned something from the post. Thank you again norman, bchew and all other people to support the post. We set the spirit of the forum (discuss and learn from the post)

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