/ E# q1 ?/ l" g( Qtvb now,tvbnow,bttvb包致金說：「一股風暴來臨前的陰霾，正籠罩本港法治。」這位資深法官是風暴中心的局中人，退休前說出這番話，當然不會是無的放矢：「這股陰霾來自每一個不尊重一國兩制的人」，「這些人不明白一國兩制對香港普羅大眾的意義，就是正在製造陰霾。我看見這股陰霾正以前所未有的凶猛之勢來襲。這類人並非越來越多，但確實比過往發表更多言論。」 1 {0 h4 `, p' _- ^! W( Itvb now,tvbnow,bttvb5 `% Q# [. M6 {: u: e. o
包致金雖然沒有對陰霾製造者指名道姓，但明眼人都知道，指的是早前高調批評香港法治的梁愛詩。梁是基本法委員會的港方成員，就修改和解釋《基本法》，向人大常委提出意見，地位相當重要。 - ?5 z1 z# b# |, o& N9 s- } M* I# Q: H2 b& G/ r
早前梁愛詩毫不留情批評香港法官，引起司法界極大憂慮：「如果法官知道中央同特區關係企喺邊嘅時候，佢就唔會犯錯」；法律界意圖「去中國化、去中央化，想香港獨立」；釋法可以「確保中央政府的對港方針得以落實」；更將目前的亂局，簡而粗暴地歸咎香港人還未「思想回歸」……9 q+ w. E5 H/ y# v+ v3 W% C
/ S. e) _3 J5 F% I. I' ~+ @ H/ N5.39.217.77:8898包致金雖然有「包拗頸」的稱號，但作為一位受英式法律教育的謙謙君子，他並沒有用梁愛詩式謾罵來反駁梁愛詩，包致金的回應是那麼婉轉得體，一矢中的，懂行的人，當然看得明白：「她認為我們有錯，但我們沒有。香港所有法官判案時，都會考慮一國兩制」；「《基本法》賦予終審法院有權尋求人大釋法，但終院主動提出以外，其他釋法都是錯誤」；「若果有人去實踐她的言論，就是另一回事。我沒理據質疑其他法官的勇氣。有時候我們需要信念，我認識那些法官，他們會做對的事。時間會證明一切」；「如果你假設最壞的情況將會發生，無論傳媒、學者還是法律界，只會更堅定捍衞法治。」TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。/ n. y) y; C. r
梁愛詩︰兩律師會聲明「多餘」2 E* Z+ U4 E1 w( k p8 u. N - i- e! k$ T6 Z# d( d% Q( \
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《蘋果日報》表示取得梁愛詩發給兩個律師公會的信件，梁在信中重申自己的言論是「個人意見」，認為人大釋法無損法治，指兩個律師公會的聲明”totally uncalled for”。/ x, P' H f1 z' { l Y& L
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該信件長達三頁，於10月11號、即兩個律師公會發聲明反駁梁愛詩翌日發出，副本抄送予特首、律政司司長及終審法院首席法官。梁愛詩在信中指，兩律師會的聲明將她的言論說成干預司法獨立，是牽強的推論，重申自己的發言「明顯是教育用途和代表個人意見」。 ! W1 x' L3 R- H9 t+ qtvb now,tvbnow,bttvb' q3 F K; o8 W+ g
- G' i4 V0 \$ Mtvb now,tvbnow,bttvb終審法院主動要求人大第四次釋法tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb" S1 k, S0 o3 u. ^8 s0 S% p
% ?2 g, Q/ }: q. m2011年8月 2 s0 E# ^- }: ~! h公仔箱論壇終院破天荒主動尋求人大釋法，要求人大解釋香港是否須要跟隨中國實行外交豁免權。時任終院法官包致金反對尋求釋法，認為一國兩制之下，香港法庭未必須緊隨中央，惟終院最後以三票贊成、兩票反對，通過尋求釋法公仔箱論壇, W; C$ l7 _3 @7 i
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2012年3月 + ]: w! U$ N5 X3 E* z4 R4 X1 H30名港區人大代表聯署建議人大常委會，研究以釋法解決雙非問題，向政府施壓。 2 X/ o& U' A$ y1 o9 ]1 l! L5.39.217.77:88986 W+ g3 Q/ o+ V# s5 m/ e; E/ i0 E 梁愛詩批評香港法官不認識中港關係tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb/ }, m. B3 w. _; k
7 p, D0 n' F& w* z. V8 Ttvb now,tvbnow,bttvb2012年 10月 基本法委員會副主任梁愛詩，指責終院在99年就居港權一案判決，說終院無權宣佈全國人大及常委會行為無效或違反《基本法》，批評法官對中央和特區關係缺乏認識。她又指解決雙非孕婦問題，人大釋法是唯一解決辦法。 & n/ _0 `& [6 u- c5.39.217.77:8898TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。* Y# ~; c" m% g9 ^3 a0 J: r
2012年10月 終院常任法官包致金退休前，指香港法治將面對空前猛烈的風暴（I see clouds of a storm of unprecedented ferocity.） + b* n/ k' u( v6 a; D7 \7 Ltvb now,tvbnow,bttvb 5 m% X! J$ A1 k5 Z6 T包致金臨別講話全文 - m! d; [$ x& Q公仔箱論壇; \( ^3 j' W6 x9 r- m& m
[attach]1887042[/attach] ; Q: {* g7 p i1 ~2 w% h5 y, c - e+ c- v' {) z# M司法機構10月24日為終審法院常任法官包致金舉行告別儀式。以下是他出席儀式後會見傳媒的足本講話*。tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb" N3 D9 t1 F" _3 w0 c6 H$ Q/ S
. D, K3 q) K5 J5 ?5.39.217.77:8898(Q: elaboration of storm cloud) : w6 d% V8 Q- j" M8 stvb now,tvbnow,bttvbThere were talks about reinterpreting a decision of the courts of long standing. That is one specific matter. And the atmosphere created by the mere fact that this cause of being made, would constitute the rest of it. 2 n# A* R! p' Z0 A2 e5.39.217.77:8898" t6 i7 v N8 P1 a 3 b h2 z4 E, a! M(Q: Elsie Leung criticizing the judges) 8 r4 @* ?) a8 h. ?; E公仔箱論壇Well there were things being said even before Ms. Leung spoke. Ms Leung has expressed her views, which is perfectly entitled to express. But equally people who had disagreed with her, are perfectly entitled to express their disagreement. I happen to agree them.tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb) _7 a" B. B2 j' f5 V( X# T
& H1 m5 z1 i& d& y1 n. z$ p公仔箱論壇 ! i/ Y9 _! H6 x" I(Q: whether Leung's comments would affect the judges) 3 M! u# n- `. Q) e {/ @% iTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。I don't think so. I have faith in them to decide independently. Sometimes something has to be taken on faith. I know the judges. And other people don't.So I’m not going to insist that I’m right. And those people who worry are wrong. But time will tell. And i think the judges will do the right thing.$ i" ?7 f& s' O* G
+ \! J' a4 ~- U# d8 f5.39.217.77:8898 ( N$ @- X( {/ r5.39.217.77:8898(Q: whether independence of justice is being jeopardized) # z3 C$ q, y! aTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。No.She expressed her view. You can't jeopardize the independence of justice in Hong Kong, simply by expressing these views. If her views were acted upon, the situation might be different.But people can say what they like. Justice would be very delicate if it was jeopardized every time somebody says something. 0 b$ T$ m2 c0 W, I公仔箱論壇公仔箱論壇1 s2 ]& l6 b0 J! b (Q: Leung saying she has freedom of speech)公仔箱論壇! ]: E0 J4 h! o: @
I think that she did have the right to say it. People who disagree with her have the right to express disagreement. And as I said, I happen to agree with them very firmly. But I don't think we can say that she wasn't untitled to say it.The wisdom of it is a matter of whom to judge. But if you choose to say it,then you're entitled to say it. Free speech is very easy to give other people if you only give them free speech to say what you agree with. But it's often been said by generations of judges, that you truly believe in free speech, ifyou're prepared to () it, to the people whose views who profoundly disagree with, and which you even think are dangerous,this is what free speech is about.# a& O: w$ U3 ~9 z) D: n) a! J
- m2 o) b r: }0 n* n1 X公仔箱論壇 # F0 c0 V; z6 b, x. A(Q: CJ's reaction) 0 A4 E; b0 i; z% iI suppose it's a bit difficult for him. We have to see what he does. Some people might have wished he would express himself more firmly. Some people think the calls he took was wise. It's for him to judge.5.39.217.77:88986 Y3 k6 H/ M$ _% ^! O) n + I. B6 I# Q+ o2 q9 M8 O1 x5.39.217.77:8898; _ ^0 C, I$ @+ \& R6 Q$ r" V
(Q:Leung saying judges have made some mistakes)公仔箱論壇. g. U4 t# r/ ^! q
[smile]I believe she thinks we have. But we haven't.; U* N8 M; D1 \! h: Q
tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb) I4 `. Y4 L2 s2 k7 Q , h- Z- S6 T# K" P( Y(Q: Leung emphasizing judges should consider the relationship between HONG KONG and China) + f& t, Q9 K- s, m0 N* BNo judge can fail to consider the relationship, when the relationship is the one under the one country two systems principle. 3 {4 f, `" t" [& e+ k! z: `* L% W5.39.217.77:8898$ R! G3 \1 R D7 k' U7 c
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I describe it as clouds of storm of unprecedented ferocity. I chose those words carefully. I think that's exactly what it is. But if your faith in rule of law is only when there are no problems, then you have no faith in rule of law a tall.5.39.217.77:8898! a$ ~$ h9 f. c9 _6 J L6 c7 Q2 U$ t
Remember that the free media is itself a very powerful component, may be the most powerful component in the defense of rule of law. So you're not just bystanders, you're the major players, may be THE most important player in it. I feel sorry of people who just sit and worry about it, but they don't include you. You're the free media and you have voice. You should use your voice./ @) g) x" n! o S, Q/ x9 Q9 t
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People of Hong Kong understand their rights. And I don't think things have changed. I don't think things would have been any different if there have been a different chief executive. The commitment of the people to rule of law and freedom of HONG KONG is unshakable. 8 x* r7 P5 D/ n3 d& Z# ATVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。0 p/ L! a1 W, W: Y
3 U) F6 ~) h2 R' _* K# j* X (Q: whether judges no longer dare to give independent judgment like you)公仔箱論壇* ^0 ~) G' f9 S/ m" i% P5 \5 }3 s( v
No,I have no reason to doubt their courage. We have seen things differently. And I am sorry that I won't be there with them in times ahead. After midnight tonight I’ll be non-permanent judge. I suspect the cases they ask me to deal with will not be those type of cases. After all if they want me to deal with those cases, they will ask me to stay on. Therefore I won't be share these difficulties with my brothers and I’m sorry for that. But I have faith in them.TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。( `9 @+ w C7 y" Q% I
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0 v1 f; x1 v) c- b; G (Q: storm cloud)公仔箱論壇6 ]" l8 n; ^: x
I think the storm cloud comes from anybody, whether he or she may be, who doesn't appreciate the one country two systems principle. Now why was this principle necessary to be clear? Once the handover took place, it would be one country.Nobody would have articulated the one country principle, because it's so obvious. The one country two systems principle design, is to emphasize that despite the fact as one country, it is two-systems. $ i$ d, I% q! ~3 @公仔箱論壇 + [; n0 M. A9 \5 C. @5.39.217.77:8898I don't think that I’m interested in identifying particular individual for where they come from. If you do not understand this principle, and everything it means to the ordinary people of Hong Kong, then you're generating the storm that I’m talking about. # E3 @3 d. q' Z/ i2 w6 G% x公仔箱論壇5 h! a6 j! _' v: u0 T* j& z
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TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。0 [. E/ T# F j2 X& L# c/ R, N (Q: are there more people disrespecting the principle?)公仔箱論壇' y' I- C @0 i1 U5 n% y) n6 \
No I don't think it's drawing in numbers. May be they're raising their voices more than before. I don't think it's more people. In fact I think there are more people now who respect the system than when I started (my career), simply because some people who were born when I started have now grown up to the age of knowledge and understanding. So the number of people that understands the system and the rule of law has grown, not diminished. + A* q" t$ b8 y2 ^& F; |公仔箱論壇tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb9 D$ r" j; j8 X X1 {& g8 [8 o
) o. d# W& ^! s# B; { \! i公仔箱論壇(Q: about dismissal)公仔箱論壇2 i, I& s+ `( E0 ?$ C
Who knows? I give my judgment. I don't want to speculate. If I was denied, that I’ve in fact been dismissed, then some people would say, what if his denial is wrong, either because he is saying that he hasn't been dismissed even though he has, or because he believes that he hasn't been dismissed when he has?Supposing(ly) I just denied that, it wouldn't be a good idea. 1 }* R, ]# @9 g5.39.217.77:8898 $ K# I9 O$ ^' z& e/ j+ ~5.39.217.77:8898So let me say this. If you don't think it's a problem, that's the end of it. If you think that it's a problem, then whether you're member of the media, the profession or the academy or anything else, that should not diminish your determination to uphold the rule of law. That should increase your determination. 6 s1 r7 A' ?! Jtvb now,tvbnow,bttvb公仔箱論壇& u! P3 c& T- N5 V, r) ^1 B3 r
Let’s not worry about what has happened to me. Let’s just say, assume the worst if you like. That doesn't diminish your duty to uphold the rule of law. It increases your duty to uphold the rule of law. ; r# t9 }6 K) Ytvb now,tvbnow,bttvb - G% d+ G) C/ i; V公仔箱論壇You're the media. You have a role to play. Therefore you're the farthest to worry about than anybody else. People who feel powerless would just feel that they're tossed in winds of events. But you people make things happen. So don't be discouraged.TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。6 {9 K+ n; I. ]9 ?% c$ f4 A
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If you think there's any problem that should increase your determination to support the judiciary. If you think there's no problem, that's fine. If you think there's a problem, you have to support the judiciary more than before. I have great faith in the judges. , M5 u X! A! V1 }. F. U, [公仔箱論壇 b8 L& H& f% Z z$ ^5.39.217.77:8898TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。) H, S/ p3 ~- O. k (Q: feeling of retirement) 5 O S! N7 E$ r( Z, ^' i" V, GTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。I’m sorry to go. I will be going to active retirement and it does give more time for the family. I’m not unaware of the positive sides of it, but on the whole I’m sorry to go. Mainly because there may be problems and I will be on the sidelines. It would not be pleasant not to be there for the most difficult times. But whatever happens it happens./ X) \& d- |) n ~- ^: m
$ Z- t& B9 l) h% u7 s9 |: `公仔箱論壇 / V: K- e. V8 {% \9 u6 |8 ytvb now,tvbnow,bttvb(Q: interpretation of Basic Law) 8 z% e! K) V% n) Z- G' N5.39.217.77:8898The duty of the court to seek an interpretation is laid down by the Basic Law. And the basic law contemplates that the court will discharge that duty. And the court should discharge that duty in those cases where an interpretation is sought. But if the court doesn't seek an interpretation, then i think seeking reinterpretation is fundamentally wrong.TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。7 ?" H/ H' B5 H
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(To media)Thank you very much. Continue to do your good work.( T( O# s& X0 Y+ t; ?$ Y, \$ J
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We're very lucky to have free media in HONG KONG.公仔箱論壇2 p% l; a. i; c
" h# w v% z) d0 G 作者: lenway 時間: 2012-10-27 10:36 AM
刘晓波：邓亡灵钦定的爱国: w9 Y7 @8 s8 n/ J4 y; B& X7 W( V
* y1 ]4 D! _: S5 x. [4 otvb now,tvbnow,bttvb 对于北京而言，「一国两制」下的港人治港，仅限于维持香港的现行政制──钦定特首的长期存在，而对港人的任何政制改革的诉求和行动，北京政权皆要强行干预。2 W6 ]& S: ~, s* Z
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北京本想靠23条立法一劳永逸，但去年（2003年）的七一大游行，导致23条被搁置。之后，港人争取民主权利的斗争一直持续，为了2007年实行特首普选、2008年全面直选立法局议员，加之台湾大选前夕「公投」问题的发酵，使北京政权既紧张又无奈。紧张的是，香港民主派的势头正健，区议会选举中的民主派获胜就是明证，如果任其扩张，很可能导致将来的港府不再对北京「惟命是从」。无奈的是，囿于政制的差异和「一国两制」的承诺，加之国际社会的压力，北京还不敢对香港的要求政改的强大民意和民主派动粗。; h* t r7 ]4 u" O, M m" j
2 U* [8 [- K9 q7 f i6 ^ 于是，北京只能基于现行制度架构，玩弄一实一虚的双管齐下：TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。5 J/ u1 D2 l( V: [8 D# R& B
9 X9 u# G7 K0 H/ e" B' c5.39.217.77:8898 实的是牢牢握住最终决策权：在政制改革上，北京利用主权原则，一再强调「一国」优于「两制」，中央政府的管辖权优于港人自治权。最近北京又通过各种途径高调宣示：香港政制改革的最终决策权，在北京而不在港府港人。 # Q5 B; C$ \5 _7 S6 O公仔箱論壇 . |' L- i5 c6 i7 s7 `" | 虚的是高唱爱国主义：北京拿出惯用的偷换概念、转移视线的手法，把政制之争偷换爱国与不爱国之争，打出模糊而蛮横的爱国主义旗帜，强调「一国」是「两制」的绝对前提，「爱国者」治港不容商量。 9 U: s$ N+ H U, C* x0 O: [TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。公仔箱論壇$ P( w. k4 B- A8 \1 o& n/ s
「一国两制」来自邓小平，邓当然就是解释「一国两制」的权威。要求推动政改的港人在解释邓的香港政策时，著重强调「两制」：能否在政制选择上尊重多数港人的意愿，乃是考验「两制」能否落到实处的关键。民主派全力推动政治民主化，就是希望以港人治港的实绩来落实「两制。」公仔箱論壇" e) H3 ^* F$ \8 x. x
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然而，仍然独裁的北京害怕政制改革，对台湾的政治民主化无计可施，但对香港政改却不遗余力地打压。为了回应香港民主派对「两制」的强调，也只能凸出北京对「一国」的强调。所以，在现政权的爱国说辞缺乏权威性的情况下，再次抬出邓的亡灵，重新发表邓关于「爱国者」治港的讲话，并对何谓「爱国者」作出了单方面的解释：一切听命于北京的港人就是爱国者，也就具有治港的资格和权力；而所有在政制改革问题上与北京有分歧的港人被污蔑为不爱国者，也就不具有治港的资格和权力。tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb0 S. ?" e: e2 H
1 ]& N% E/ v2 _ v; o$ YTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。 邓小平已经死了7年，江泽民之后的胡温体制也已经掌权一年，然而，对中共政权来说，只要其政制不变，毛泽东和邓小平两代政治强人的遗产，仍然具有道统的实用价值。毛泽东钦定的接班人被邓小平废了，但毛钦定的独裁传统仍然强大。邓小平生前，不仅在权力交接的人事安排上，可以废除他亲自选定的接班人胡耀邦和赵紫阳，钦定第三代江泽民和第四代胡锦涛，而且在治国指导思想上，可以把「邓小平理论」自我钦定为「一百年不动摇」的道统。 ) a- c% Q( h" ]; K. U: s公仔箱論壇 4 U" R' U% _/ S ^ B( Q4 ?2 C公仔箱論壇 现在，在政制改革的问题上，当港人的主流民意及民主派与北京及傀儡港府之间的冲突表面化之后，现政权又祭出邓的亡灵，为治理香港钦定大政方针：爱国者才有治港的资格和权力，爱国者的标准就是对北京俯首帖耳。香港的爱国富豪又在傀儡标准之外，将邓的标准金钱化：爱国与港人的民主权利和做人尊严无关，而只关乎港人在大陆的投资，谁在大陆投钱多，谁就最爱国。tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb4 h( U, a) H' A% C
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" v/ W. z s- ]7 X/ z5.39.217.77:8898 2004年2月26日于北京家中 作者: felicity2010 時間: 2012-10-27 10:53 AM
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魯平及陳佐洱硬砌港獨蔓延，要嚴正應付，從意識形態鬥爭角度來看，並不尋常。對港情稍有認識者，都不會贊同港獨蔓延之說。遊行示威高舉港英時代龍獅旗，不足以推論出港獨巳成勢。網民不滿政治現狀，所以才有高舉龍獅旗行為。真正港獨既要有政治論述及行動綱領，並付諸實行。近月真正提倡港獨，只有立法會議員鐘樹根在咭片上印上People's Republic of Hong Kong，即香港人民共和國，而事後他已澄清是助理手文之誤。5.39.217.77:8898% r* u" X4 v# e1 W5 t
