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英國大暴動,名歷史學家史塔基電視訪談。他說:這不是一般的什麼平民怨憤的大爆發,不,叫做暴亂,太抬舉了,這只是一場「暴力的購物」( Shopping with violence)。2 O- T: P/ c# o
. l* a5 R- u; E0 R' j# ?史塔基然後說:這幫人,本來是加勒比海的 Hip-hop音樂加一點Rap的節奏,變了種,就成為這個樣子,這不是英國的文化,而是外來的東西。公仔箱論壇) a$ u S/ e5 B6 H2 U' R( i
. c |3 O {# r! B6 y# T3 Otvb now,tvbnow,bttvb史塔基即刻被指為「種族主義者」。主持人追問:你的意思,是黑人的文化就等同罪惡了? 4 X$ R* R+ V& F& ^5.39.217.77:8898史塔基說:我沒有這樣說。黑人也不一定是壞的,像英國工黨那位黑人議員萊米,他的英文就很流利,在電話裏聽他講話,閉上眼睛,你以為他是英國白人。這樣講,又加一條罪名,有來賓反問,你的意思,是英國白人的純正英語腔,比黑人更可敬( More respectable)? , M4 z7 c0 k9 w2 e 0 M7 F2 Y; B( H7 p, F6 I; f公仔箱論壇爭論到了這等牛角尖的份上,就沒有什麼意思了。這樣的對話,顯示英國二十年來左傾思想之嚴重,直逼中國當年的文化大革命──有人要從語言中要求絕對的純淨,講一兩句合乎常識的話,即變成「種族主義者」。5 r8 v5 v8 b. G# M Y4 W8 f4 t0 D: s
史塔基是劍橋學者,BBC電視台「都鐸王朝」的歷史顧問,一生人只研究十六世紀都鐸王朝那一百幾十年。英國暴動,有人怪警察,有人責備保守黨,卻沒有什麼人說暴徒不對。8 K. u8 U% |2 w! J( O: K& {" J
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香港的戲院,用杜比音響系統,記不記得電影開映前,杜比系統有一段宣傳片:十幾個加勒比海的黑人青少年,穿 T恤牛仔褲,把垃圾桶的鐵蓋子當做鑼鈸,把掃帚當做樂器,上蹦下跳,砰砰砰,表演街頭的Hip-hop音樂──全無美感和品味可言,只有年輕人過剩的精力。2 i, \$ t1 O5 q5 _- N
4 a) T8 o' P' }+ Ttvb now,tvbnow,bttvb這份精力,風雲際會,就變成暴力和獸性了。一個亂世,需要知識份子講真話,不管真話政治正不正確,不管得罪了什麼弱勢族群。作者: felicity2010 時間: 2011-8-15 09:59 AM
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4 ~ j3 M# b( V" m; f7 l% `: zDavid Starkey claims 'the whites have become black' The GuardianTVBNOW 含有熱門話題,最新最快電視,軟體,遊戲,電影,動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。& w2 ]. A* d3 i! P5 A- t
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2 \8 h5 f5 S8 U公仔箱論壇The historian and broadcaster David Starkey has provoked a storm of criticism after claiming during a televised discussion about the riots that"the problem is that the whites have become black". # q2 W8 D2 d* Z- b) f: W5.39.217.77:88986 s4 {$ ~' P, k; v9 Q8 h3 B
In an appearance on BBC2's Newsnight, Starkey spoke of "a profound cultural change" and said he had been re-reading Enoch Powell's rivers of blood speech.公仔箱論壇0 Q% U# ?/ V6 e N6 c) C! K! m
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"His prophesy was absolutely right in one sense. The Tiber did not foam with blood but flames lambent, they wrapped around Tottenham and wrapped around Clapham," he said. ' \, r$ N n( P7 L* s$ z+ ^公仔箱論壇公仔箱論壇# L* E( j: q+ H! G# Q, o$ O) n
"But it wasn't inter-community violence. This is where he was absolutely wrong." Gesturing towards one of the other guests, Owen Jones,who wrote Chavs: the Demonisation of the Working Classes, Starkey said:"What has happened is that a substantial section of the chavs that you wrote about have become black."tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb- K2 D+ a. |2 l. F# i8 S: C
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An outcry on Twitter began with the Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn asking the BBC: "Why was racist analysis of Starkey unchallenged? What exactly are you trying to prove?" A spokesman for Newsnight said: "I think that[presenter] Emily Maitlis very robustly challenged David Starkey. 9 F& m3 x- \0 c5 F公仔箱論壇"The two guests [Jones and the writer and education adviser Dreda Say Mitchell] that we had also quite clearly took issue with his comments." * L5 u# |/ g k* L$ _- Ltvb now,tvbnow,bttvb( h7 Z6 r) C/ N
Jones told the Guardian he believed Starkey's comments were "a career-ending moment". He said: "He tapped into racial prejudice at a time of national crisis. At other times, those comments would be inflammatory but they are downright dangerous in the current climate. 6 {, w- x% r/ _* K5.39.217.77:8898/ b6 ~. A8 e$ ^
"I fear that some people will now say that David Starkey is right,and you could already see some of them on Twitter. I am worried about a backlash from the right and he will give legitimacy to those views in the minds of some." On the programme, Starkey said: "The whites have become black. A particular sort of violent destructive, nihilistic gangster culture has become the fashion and black and white boys and girls operate in this language together.tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb' w' B6 o" p% H3 g* b' |
"This language which is wholly false, which is this Jamaican patois that has been intruded in England and that is why so many of us have this sense of literally of a foreign country."tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb5 o' s. ? q3 Q3 O4 \
The historian and broadcaster, whose historical documentaries on Channel4 about the Tudors established him as a household name, went on to name-check Tottenham's Labour MP: "Listen to David Lammy, an archetypal successful black man. If you turn the screen off so that you are listening to him on radio you would think he was white."5.39.217.77:88988 Z4 U& ~( I! G' p
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He was challenged by Mitchell, who ridiculed his theories about the speech patterns of young people."You keep talking David about black culture. Black communities are not homogenous. So there are black cultures. Lots of different black cultures.What we need to be doing is ... thinking about ourselves not as individual communities ... as one community. We need to stop talking about them and us."作者: aa00 時間: 2011-8-15 12:39 PM