' ~5 a& b' O3 M- P, STVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。 7 x) h5 a; n1 f6 G2 Ltvb now,tvbnow,bttvb『我們不是共產主義者——假如所指的是在1990年已經崩潰的那個共產主義的話。別忘記今天的那些所謂共產主義者，只是一群最有效率、最不擇手段的資本主義者。今日存在於中國的是一個比美國的資本主義動力更強，卻又不需要民主的資本主義制度。因此當你批評資本主義時，不要讓別人扣上「反民主」的帽子。民主與資本主義之間的聯姻已經終結了。改變是可能的事情。 " W2 X) A. `, M. I9 |2 _ 9 ]3 R2 t) P) }. }公仔箱論壇『今天的人們相信有甚麼是可能做到的？看看媒體的報導。這邊廂，由科技到性慾，好像甚麼都有可能。你能夠去月球旅行，用生物基因科技達到長春不老，可以跟動物做愛，諸如此類。但另一邊廂，一碰上社會經濟的範疇，幾乎一切都被視為不可能。你想加一點富裕階層的賦稅嗎？他們會告訴你不可能，我們將因此失去競爭力；要把多些錢投入公共醫療保障嗎？他們會說：「不可能！這做法等於極權國家。」當人們得到允諾將要長春不老的同時，卻不允許花多一點錢在醫療保障上——這樣的世界不是很有問題嗎？也許我們應該把事情的優先次序搞明白：我們不是要求「更高」的生活水準；我們要的是「更好」的生活水準！要說我們跟共產主義者有甚麼唯一的相似之處，那就是我們關心普羅群眾：大自然裡的群眾；活在知識產權私有化底下的群眾；在生物基因科技下的群眾。我們應該為此而戰鬥，也只為此而戰鬥。共產主義徹底失敗了，可是群眾面對的問題仍在。那些人告訴你，我們聚集在這兒的都不是真正的美國人。但我們要提醒那些自稱「真正」美國人的保守原教旨主義人士：甚麼是基督精神？是聖靈。甚麼是聖靈？是一群信仰者組成的一個平均主義團體，他們以互愛的精神彼此連繫，並且只憑自由意志與義務責任心去實踐這個理想。這麼看，聖靈現在其實就在這裡，而在華爾街那頭的銀行家，都是一群褻瀆偶像的崇拜者。因此我們需要的只是耐心。 $ V3 A v) V' ~9 G( M公仔箱論壇tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb6 ~* U& Y, w6 Z$ \
『我唯一害怕的，是我們有一天就此回家，然後每年在這兒聚聚頭，喝喝啤酒，懷緬我們在這裡曾經擁有過的美好時光。我們要向自己承諾不要變成那樣。大家都知道，人們總是渴望一些東西，卻又不是真的想爭取它。不要害怕爭取你渴望的東西。多謝各位！』 ! A5 }7 F9 ]- p$ Y, t5.39.217.77:8898 1 L& F, {# }4 M4 ?" v4 g6 S, W3 l3 U; e) } Slavoj Zizek speaks at Occupy Wall St 2 f6 @2 o8 d6 a/ ["[They are saying] we are all losers, but the true losers are down there on Wall Street. They were bailed out by billions of our money. We are called socialists, but here there is already socialism — for the rich. They say we don’t respect private property. But in the 2008 financial crash-down more hard-earned private property was destroyed than if all of us here were to be destroying it night and day for weeks. They tell you we are dreamers; the true dreamers are those who think things can go on indefinitely the way they are. We are not dreamers; we are the awakening from the dream that is turning into a nightmare. We are not destroying anything; we are only witnessing how the system is destroying itself. We all know [inaudible] from cartoons. The cat reaches a precipice, but it goes on walking, ignoring the fact that there is nothing beneath its ground. Only when it looks down and notices it he falls down. This is what we are doing here. We are telling the guys there on Wall Street, ‘Hey! Look down!’. {- r7 @$ V. o8 D& Z1 A
8 G6 y, F! M3 [5.39.217.77:8898[inaudible] “… In 2011, the Chinese government prohibited on TV, film,and in novels all stories that [inaudible -- something about portraying"alternate realities or time travel"]. This is a good sign for China; it means people still dream about alternatives, so attacked and prohibited is dreaming.Here we don’t think of prohibition because [inaudible -- "history"?]has even oppressed our capacity to dream. Look at the movies that we see all the time. It’s easy to imagine the end of the world — an asteroid destroying all of life, and so on — but we cannot imagine the end of capitalism. So what are we doing here? Let me tell you a wonderful old joke from Communist times. A guy was sent to work in East Germany from Siberia. He knew his mail would be read by censors, so he told his friends, ‘Let’s establish a code.If a letter you get from me is written in blue ink, it is true what I say; if it is written in red ink, it is false.’ After a month, his friends get a first letter. Everything is in blue. It says, this letter: ‘Everything is wonderful here. The stores are full of good food, movie theatres show good films from the West, apartments are large and luxurious. The only thing you cannot find is red ink.’ This is how we live. We have all the freedoms we want, but what we are missing is red ink: the language to articulate our non-freedom. The way we are taught to speak about freedom, ‘war on terror,’ and so on, falsifies freedom.And this is what you are doing here: You are giving all of us red ink. ' }- z. D+ D1 D! P( f4 I5.39.217.77:88986 x: P$ t# f& {! V! x. i
- X# H3 A# Q* m( l$ Rtvb now,tvbnow,bttvb“There is a danger: Don’t fall in love with yourselves. We have a nice time here. But remember: Carnivals come cheap. What matters is the day after when we will have to return to normal life. Will there be any changes then? I don’t want you to remember these days, you know, like,‘Oh, we were young, it was beautiful…’ Remember that our basic message is, ‘We are allowed to think about alternatives.’ A taboo is broken. We do not live in the best possible world. But there is a long road ahead. There are truly difficult questions that confront us. We know what we do not want, but what do we want? What social organization can replace capitalism? What type of new leaders do we want? Remember: The problem is not corruption or greed; the problem is the system which pushes you to be corrupt. Beware not only of the enemies, but also of false friends who are already working to dilute this process in the same way you get coffee without caffeine, beer without alcohol,ice cream without fat. They will try to make this into a harmless moral protest, a decaffeinated protest. But the reason we are here is that we have had enough of the world where to recycle Coke cans to give a couple of dollars to charity, or to buy a Starbucks cappuccino where one percent goes to Third World starving children is enough to make us feel good. After outsourcing work and torture [inaudible -- calls for "mic check"]… We can see that fora long time, we allowed our political engagement also to be outsourced. We want it back. B5 F$ a, N! l1 N" h8 f- M % n- z% t; J" ?, G“We are not Communists, if Communism means the system which collapsed in 1990. Remember that today those Communists are the most efficient, ruthless capitalists. In China today we have a capitalism which is even more dynamic than your American capitalism but doesn’t need democracy, which means, when you criticism capitalism, don’t allow yourselves to be blackmailed that you are ‘against democracy.’ The marriage between democracy and capitalism is over. A change is possible.TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。% K) [) _+ `" o: j8 P& b
9 t3 J$ w) y) `, P+ t/ Y; ~tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb“Now, what we consider today possible — just follow the media. On the one hand is technology and sexuality — everything seems to be possible. You can travel to the moon, you can become immortal by biogenetics,you can have sex with animals or whatever. But look at the field of society and economy — there, almost everything is considered impossible. You want to raise taxes a little bit for the rich, they tell you it’s impossible. We lose competitivity. You want more money for healthcare, they tell you, ‘Impossible!This means a totalitarian state.’ Is there something wrong with the world where you are promised to be immortal but they cannot spend a little more for healthcare? Maybe we have to set our priorities straight. We don’t want higher standards of living; we want better standards of living. The only sense in which we are Communists is that we care for the commons: the commons of nature,the commons of what is privatized by intellectual property, the commons of biogenetics. For this, and only for this, we should fight. Communism failed absolutely, but the problems of the commons are here. They are telling you we are not American here, but the conservative fundamentalists who claim they are‘really’ Americans have to be reminded of something: What is Christianity? It’s the Holy Spirit. What is the Holy Spirit? It’s an egalitarian community of believers who are linked by love for each other and who only have their own freedom and responsibility to do it. In this sense the Holy Spirit is here now,and down there on Wall Street there are millions [?] who are worshiping blasphemous idols. So all we need is patience. v: `+ F# Q3 o2 t+ G2 Ytvb now,tvbnow,bttvb/ G$ ^6 L8 k' x* ?/ _
“The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will someday just go home, and then we will meet once a year, drinking beer and nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves that this will not be the case. You know that people often desire something but do not really want it. Don’t be afraid to really want what you desire.”5.39.217.77:8898: H. K( m+ H# _5 k* C* o* \+ r- o9 e; w
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& g, s+ G1 {: F/ \& X 「佔領華爾街」可成轉折點 Paul Krugman ! L5 T! {$ Q: H7 [# a, v: j; [' k2 @! b6 Q+ O+ O) k
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有些事正在發生，到底是什麼，目前尚未清楚，但我們可能終於目睹社會掀起一場民眾運動。然而，與茶黨不同，這場民眾運動的遷怒對象是罪有應得的。 * t h" |( v# `7 x* qtvb now,tvbnow,bttvb( B. b$ y/ j) `% ]+ ^& C' ^5 ]2 O) k
當「佔領華爾街」（Occupy Wall Street）抗議三周前展開時，新聞機構大都隻字不提，即使有略略報道的，大多是語帶譏諷嘲弄。例如，抗議進入第九天，全國公共廣播電台（NPR）仍沒作出有關報道。 / n- b3 ~. z$ Z5 g3 R5.39.217.77:8898tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb( X7 o/ g9 e7 u: j. n0 z
因此，抗議行動得以延續下去，而且聲勢愈來愈浩大，到如今演變成不容忽視的規模，正好証明參加者對這場抗爭的激情信念。隨著工會及愈來愈多民主黨人對示威者至少表示有限度的支持，「佔領華爾街」看上去開始有重大事件的味道，最終更可能成為一個轉折點。 / m8 W0 G0 b5 i- {! x J- s% S, u 銀行家恩將仇報* c9 C: E, X/ }% n( j [
我們可以如何評價這次示威行動？首先，示威者的控訴合情合理，華爾街在經濟及政治層面的確是一股破壞力量。5.39.217.77:8898* n* |* f* X1 l/ y- _2 |
5 ^% i. M- k4 E7 T3 ^; Y6 T5 E公仔箱論壇疲乏的犬儒主義、一種公義永不能伸張的想法，很大程度佔據了我們的政治討論──是的，我本人有時也表露出這種心態。在過程中，我們很容易忘記美國經濟落難的故事是多麼的可恥。假使你忘記了，讓我們重溫這個三幕劇。9 g. I( W( n/ h6 c. k _' k/ T
d( n# A' P, e公仔箱論壇由此我們有三個問題需要澄清：第一，華爾街是無辜的，還是對今天美國甚至全球的經濟危機負有不可推卸的責任？華爾街的金融運作體系是否需要改革？第二，「佔領華爾街」是一幫社會邊緣化人群的無理取鬧，還是擊中了美國民主的危機，亦即財富的集中破壞了政治的平等，帶來美國寡頭制傾向？如果現在的抗議者反映了美國的主流深層心態，是否由此會引發深層的政治、社會變革？第三，「佔領華爾街」是左翼的社會運動、因而會幫助民主黨呢？還是一場美國全民反省的社會運動的開端？8 u8 E, P1 y% l& [; n
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（1） 華爾街拒絕下「罪己詔」與美國民眾患難與共TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。% ~! r! X. E2 h. M6 k
在2009年五月由美國國會授權、總統簽署建立的「金融危機調查委員會」經過兩年的努力，終於在今年發佈了《金融危機調查報告》。在認定危機產生的根源時，該報告有下列重要結論：「金融危機可以避免；」「金融管制和監控大規模失靈讓國家的金融穩定遭受災難；」「主要金融機構公司治理和風險管理嚴重失靈是這次危機禍首之一；」「金融機構過度借貸、高風險投資和缺乏透明使之走上危機之路；」「政府沒有做好應對危機準備和沒有採取正確政策穩定金融市場；」「責任和道德出現了系統性的坍塌；」「房屋貸款機構和房屋貸款的過度債券化點燃和傳播了危機之火；」「個案型延伸產品」和「信譽評級機構的失誤」也是金融機器毀壞的緣由。由此可見，金融風暴的主要根源來自華爾街。tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb5 h4 L% o: ?! T4 q& j, [
但在美國兩任、兩黨政府（布什和奧巴馬）用納稅人的錢對華爾街援手救市後，華爾街並未投桃報李，而是一方面囤積現金、一方面大量裁員，一方面繼續給高管發放高額獎金，同時還反對給富人加稅。當美國從中產階級到工人階級和底層階級生活水平全面下降，並為美國金融危機買單時，華爾街的貪婪和頑固必然引火燒身。 ( x X6 |# a; h0 p+ L 1 l8 ^! d# H; J5 O. Z' d 1 ?/ W6 v8 b" g5 q8 L（2） 抗議運動反映了美國過去二十來年的抵抗「新自由主義」的努力 ~- C2 V& N' E4 g7 k& r
對華爾街的抗議並非平地驚雷。早在70和80年代，無論是奧利弗-斯通的《華爾街》影片，還是主流政治經濟學家達爾的《美國經濟民主導論》和林德布洛姆的《政治和市場》，都提出了：過度的、通過非法和不道德手段促成的財富集中，已經開始腐蝕美國政治平等和民主制。但在里根和兩屆布什政府後，情況愈加惡化；麻省理工學院經濟學家西蒙-約翰遜稱之為「寧靜的政變」建立了美國的「金融寡頭制」。 - j$ r2 F. q( d4 Y. c5.39.217.77:8898美國的主流經濟學家，包括克魯格曼、薩克斯和森都對貧富分化拉大提出警告。許多紀錄片（例如邁克爾-莫爾）和暢銷書（例如蔡愛梅、珀金斯和哈維）都對新自由主義提出質疑。可以說，今天「佔領華爾街」運動的精神養料都來自於大學的課堂。抗議者其實是在實踐他們在大學裏學到的知識，試圖呼籲建立一個人民高於利潤、公正平衡增長的經濟秩序。tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb* m1 ?; k6 F- m4 N- I: \/ t
金融風暴的慘烈教訓說明，美國經濟、甚至國際經濟都不可能繼續架舊車、走老路。尤其難能可貴的是，許多抗議者都有高學歷，他們也在反思美國人的懶惰和放棄創新。所以，這不是單純的抗議富人，也是美國年輕的一代反思和擔當的表現。 / Q9 f6 m7 T6 ]TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。 + b" b0 U8 k) M0 A5 gTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。( _; N0 N: Q+ N, [# U' b) z. Y( D: m
（3） 「佔領華爾街」可能引起「華爾街-華盛頓」關係的變革 7 `8 c6 a/ D7 A1 i+ z6 i6 V4 P公仔箱論壇有人說，「佔領華爾街」對於民主黨來說，相當於「茶黨」與共和黨的關係。其實，在這場廣泛的社會運動中，可以看到左、中、右各派的聲音。有的是要讓華爾街增加責任、減少貪婪；有的是要全面否定資本主義，給富人加稅；有的是要廢除聯邦儲備銀行；有的責怪奧巴馬。可見，「佔領華爾街」和「茶黨」都在挑戰「華爾街-華盛頓」過緊的曖昧關係。現在正值美國進入總統大選，如果奧巴馬想保住白宮，或誰能挑戰前者、入主白宮，都必須發揮智慧，回應美國社會中的抗TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。% U& F2 l2 \1 T1 n' b7 C8 H W
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在「佔領華爾街」現場，我們可以看到無數華人媒體。中國方面對這場運動顯示出濃厚的興趣。中國有官方評論認為，這是美國民主根本制度的危機。其實，金融風暴後，必定帶來社會和政治危機。全球的「茉莉花革命」和美國的「佔領華爾街」只是未完結的社會、政治危機的一部分。一方面，我們要認識到，美國是危機驅使變革的體制；美國民主的價值不在於它保護自由權利，而在於人民可以反抗政府、捍衛自己的權利。另一方面，全球的社會、政治危機還在深化演繹，最後誰會存活、誰會消失，還需耐心看下回分解。 * ], Z7 Z* u8 y: J* GTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。5.39.217.77:88981 g' R% \5 @- Q. w3 c9 r9 @
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10月5日紐約遊行：一女青年舉著的牌子說，「華爾街是犯罪現場」 : }: o/ Q; r6 ~9 ]* f a8 n