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my guess is (8+5 = ) total 11 strokes.  (in chinese!)
this is what i think:! _- q6 m! L" A4 I9 N. v0 Q8 F1 O
8 write in chinese ---> 2 strokes
  {8 |; O! \% u/ o# Z; v; atvb now,tvbnow,bttvb5  ''      ''      ''     ---> 5 strokes
4 d3 M" M; x0 d7 L+  "      "       "     ---> 2 strokes
2 P& ~. I/ [; ^tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb=   also                ----> 2 strokes  , so total  11.
8 Y' A" k3 T$ ]6 l$ t: b$ `let me know if i am wrong....
do you know 8 in traditional chinese, 5 in traditional chinese?
yes
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